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Do you believe there is such a thing as too much Science?
01-Sep-21
I understand science's relationship to technology, but I am not talking (or writing) about that. I mean, in terms of viruses. Like the fact that a virus can escape from a lab, in the first place. I mean, I understand, the cures and trying to find an antidote, but when is it bordering chemical or biological warfare and when is it for an antidote? Basically, is there such a thing as TOO MUCH science?
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  • I like scientific facts, but it seems to me there is a lot of scientific speculation, which is theory and not fact.
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    • She is making Trimethylamine…
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      • No, we need all of it basically okay maybe not the germ warfare or the chemical warfare. Then again if some other country has it shouldn't we find ways of protecting ourselves against what ever an other country has. We need to develop and grow as much or if not more just to protect our selves from being harmed. That's why we have such people scientist, doctors, labs working on all these sort of things. Army,Navy Air Force too.
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        • Nope
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          • science is not a subject that I was ever good at, my year 9 days was spent in the lavatory pretending I was sick ( so sick of cutting up frogs or sheep eyes) that many of us students decided to call it quits, and all spent the rest of the subject outside the class room, so I think that people can go overboard trying to invent new things etc.
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            • no
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              • Science is very important & it is how people use or apply.
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                • It depends on how one perceives this
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                  • Don't think that science is the problem. It is the people who take the science and bend it to their will that is the problem. That and the media being mightier than thou and elected governments allowing the media to run the world.
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                    • Maybe!! I'm not sure
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                      • NO
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                        • People seem to forget that Sars2, is not the first Corona-Virus to come out of China. Go back...some years..we had warnings about the Sars-1 Virus as well. Some thousands of people did get it. Some died, but they prevented it from being a World wide pandemic. So what did China learn from that? Not much by the look of things. To understand how this Virus got out ...to spread around the world, you have to look at the original Sars-1 as well. This isn't a new thing with China. They also had other Viruses as well. Remember the pig Virus? It's China's stupidity. WHO, should have kept monitoring this country after the Sars-1 incident. They, like China...never seem to learn
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                          • Where would we be too without too much Science?
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                            • there is a vital need to acquire knowledge, unfortuneately htere is no guarantee that the information so gained will be used for good
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                              • Misinformation is a way bigger problem.
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                                • Yep too much science and too much technology. Too much of a lot of things. People are greedy in a lot of different ways, knowledge included. I mean, I studied it and think it's fascinating and there has been phenomenal discoveries but there should be limits, there's a scary side to everything.
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                                  • Too much,? As in overkill? Reminds me of that old song "Anything you can do I can do better" ... and then people can loose their true focus and mistakes happen either the "romance" goes sour or the experiment can turn out really bad. Something quite unintentionally bad gets created and spread wings and takes flight before it can be contained and studied in a secure way. That is not say that goods things like "Penicillin" .have not been discovered in this manner.
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                                    • She blinded me with science...
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                                      • Yes when its gets into the wrong hands its dangerous
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                                        • I think Science is one of those areas which is very much part of our lives. Whether it's understanding the weather, climate change, viruses, vaccines, vaccination options, new technologies, Science can provide a lot of insight and advice. We need Science and Scientists. Doctors are afterall Scientists in a specific field of study. :-)
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                                          • No we need it but some countrys let things escape eg corona
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                                            • Pure science no atomic bomb yes
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                                              • No as it is used in everything we do but it would be nice is they let people know in a everyone can understand it
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                                                • No but in the case you mention there is TOO MUCH INSANITY where a country attempts to make Weapons and doesn't apply sucifient backup's to keep their developments secure or safe.
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                                                  • As a retired biomedical scientist, a tad biased ... but NOOoooooo, can never have too much of a good thing!
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                                                    • I agree with Graham
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                                                  • Believe this ….if something somewhere exists the some human will be trying to weaponise it, for good, bad or just plain ugly. Humans are the most dangerous animal on the planet. There can never be enough science but there is sure enough enough sceptics….lol. Just watch you back
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                                                    • BS masquerading as science does the damage! Most left wing governments believe the BS
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                                                      • Yes, mo.
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                                                    • No
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                                                      • There are limitation on science. Man's (scientist) understanding and so call knowledge can never unearth the perfect creations of all things by the Almighty Creator You could say, that mans are starting to destroy themselves with their creations
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                                                        • They donb't call them mad scientists for nothing!!
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                                                          • Lol
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                                                        • There is never too much science. So interesting
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                                                          • No!. education never stops
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                                                            • yes
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                                                              • If we progress with scientific research we could be looking back at what is happening now and seeing it as outdated. We have found a cure for so much already, research will take us to the next step.
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                                                                • I think humans love experimenting with any new developments in science technology. It doesn't matter whether it is physics, chemistry or biology. Humans can create new things for good or bad. It depends on the intention of the science project in hand. We will have to live with science progress as technology advances. Yes, not all science is good, but we are just children trying to better ourselves with experiments that can be used to help mankind progress or we can use it for warfare purposes. It's all about your intention. Science learning will never stop.
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                                                                  • No
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                                                                    • no
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                                                                      • Not enough is the problem!
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                                                                        • They say AIDS... was an --escaped Virus..that ...originally came from the bush meat ...of a certain species of monkey in Africa. Spread to the mostly...Gay, bisexual, and druggies. Spread apparently from a Visitor or migrant to America from Africa, then spread around the world. Strange tho...it doesn't seem common in hetros. Not in western nations anyhow.
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                                                                          • Science does need to operate ethically. That includes things like taking care that viruses, or other harmful material, does not escape from a lab. Many of the things that we have that reduce the harm pathogens can do are thanks to science. We cannot, for example, create vaccines without doing the science. I don't think there is too much science, but there can be too little care.
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                                                                            • All or most countries have a stockpile of viruses and chemicals in storage to protect themselves in the event of war. With the high number of different viruses around the world, these countries also need to do research on those viruses to learn how they survive, mutate, transmit, and to learn what kills them; in order to create vaccines and cures. Laboratories usually operate under the strictest of rules and regulations to prevent workers from becoming infected and to prevent the escape of those viruses. China is a very strict regime, therefore their laboratories would operate under the world's strictest rules and regulations; which is therefore further evidence that the Covid-19 virus did NOT accidentally escape from the laboratory in China; BUT none of the world leaders want to admit this fact because if they did, they would be admitting that China carried out an act of war on the whole world; meaning the rest of the world would have to retaliate or look weak. To retaliate against China would mean the whole world going to war against China, Russia, and Nth Korea, all of which would join forces with China and all of which have massive and powerful militaries. There IS too much science in the world and often cannot be trusted because in my lifetime I've heard of numerous scientists who have stated one thing then a few years later another scientist proves them wrong then later that scientist is also proved wrong. Science is good for creating medicines, vaccines, and cures. Other than that, we learn about things in the world ourselves through facts and common sense.
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                                                                              • I have to disagree with you Edward S in part. Yes a scientist might state one thing and years later after other scientists or even the original have gone into it further have adjusted their findings. Science is all about learning.
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                                                                            • I think there not too much science in such things is because we still have to figure out things that science can not explain.
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                                                                              • I suppose they have found cures for many diseases. But they also have a cruel side to them because the poor animals they experiment on are tortured to the point of them screaming in fear. A case in the U.S. had a deadly virus stolen from their laboratory. Careless and dangerous. Where is it now? Whose hands have it? What cruel intent do they have when acquiring that virus? Sometimes the clever can be too clever and dangerous as well.
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                                                                                • Where are the so called cures? They still can't cure cancer. Yes, the poor creature's in the labs. Especially monkeys I feel sorry for.
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                                                                              • I think there is too much reliance on science. People say, "But it's science," as if to say it must be true. Science is about discovery so it is an ever-changing field. Many ideas that were considered as true by scientists in the past have been found to be completely wrong. Doctors didn't know about germs so they didn't realize the necessity of washing their hands between examining patients. Part of the problem with information about COVID-19 is that the media can always find a scientist to disagree with whatever the previous scientist has said.
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                                                                                • I agree! Some of there scientific methods need to change..without a doubt. Using more of the technical ---implements-- also would be better...than using animals all the time. I think the more smaller and independent scientific laboratories are much better, than the bigger ones. We also need to be careful when we donate money to science. Find out how your donation is going to be used... before you hand over any money to these people. Many of them do get a certain ---amount from charitable fund raising. Some do get substantial ---bequests. Do your homework! Ask essential questions. Be aware ...that we, the public, are part of the problem too!
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                                                                              • No, science is needed it is the way it is handled needs to be managed.
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                                                                                • It should not be a case of too much science. That isn't the issue. It's really about it being positive for society. You can never know enough! There are still many unanswered questions that science has yet to solve. In so many areas of ---scientific knowledge. Medically, chemistry, astronomy, etc. Some people's career does depend on them doing as they are told. I do believe there is a lot of corruption in science, like there is in other white collar professions. How many of these crooks ever get brought to justice? Much information is suppressed. Scientific fraud does get mentioned from time to time, but usually it's just put down to mistakes that are made. I think also science tends to cut corners. As soon as they become aware they have a product they could make money out of...then it's more about that, than, how safe it is. Oh they are required to do tests on the safety aspects when they are being developed, but how many cut corners to save money? Some of the testing procedures also need to be questioned. When they are ---manurfacturing new pharmacy products for an example. Some of these scientific industrial companies...maybe don't spend enough time on making sure the product is safe. Too busy with marketing the product to the masses it seems! Numerous drugs have been recalled, or stopped production because of severe side effects. Caution is most important therefore. Our political leaders tend to sit on their hands...never really questioning what goes on behind the laboratory doors of science.
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                                                                                  • No!!!
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                                                                                    • Science in itself is great but the self serving co.s that often fund the research make the results less than scientific and sometimes dangerous. Re: your example of viruses and manipulation - yes. I think the public good needs always be considered first and independent and ethical bodies need to stop much of these unnecessary and damaging studies.
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                                                                                      • Today, I think Science seems to be about how much money can we make? And don't forget...that they experiment on animals to find cures for disease. They did that with the Covid- Vaccine...Astrazenca. They took monkey-poo and obtained Virus particles and put them in the Vaccine. They claim the particles are from a dead virus. We still have no cure for most disease, despite the many billions spent every year. Some Science is fraud. Some is just driven by profits. We don't yet know the long term affects of taking Vaccines for the Covid Virus. If we ever wil! Money comes from the --governments, and also --investment, so science is also there to make profits. We too often just accept what science dishes up... without question. Yes, they aren't god's, and need to be held to account when things go wrong.
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                                                                                        • There has always been bad science, what's new? We have Nuclear Weaponry...that could destroy the world. That was bad science! Bombing is the easy way to try and win a war I suppose! Some decades ago...in Germany, Someone invented a drug that ruined many lives. The drug was Thalomide. Babies born without limbs, or one or more missing limbs. Science does have alot to answer for, yeah. You can't always trust them.
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                                                                                          • No, I don't think so. Whenever I have been truly distressed in my life, dissecting something logically and scientifically sometimes with the help of others more objective than I, has helped more than anything. Provided I keep my wits about me and remain critical about the source of information, it really helps.
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                                                                                            • Looks like science is endless. A problem solved entails lots of new problems. Like if you make some petrol for your car that is the beginning to new problems - petrol station, electricity, wages., safety etc....etc. But all you wanted is just to fill your car fuel tank. You started researching viruses for the sake of science and human genetics...Ouch!.....but you only wanted to research the virus.. Safer to only walk and live in a cave? OK you live in a cave and only walk then a bear comes for you.......OK science is better than a cave and the hungry bear. Just make science safe.
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                                                                                              • The world has NEVER BEEN in great shape - even before covid19 (Example: Blubonic Plague during the Middle Ages - not enough science - almost 1/3 of the known world population perish). Hence, do I believe there is such a thing as too much science - NO! Do I believe there is such a thing as too much human idiocy - YES (Example: How the USA is (NOT) dealing with Covid19 - with the death rate sky rocketing upwards)! However, homo sapiens are consistent - now - we pass the blame onto SCIENCE - not onto ourselves!
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                                                                                                • Bubonic plague is still with us with USA having 7-20 circa diagnosed with it a year but is managed.
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                                                                                                • WOW! Did not know that - SCARY!!!
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                                                                                                • Linda CBLACK LIVES MATTER
                                                                                                  Yes a 10 year old died in Colorado in July 2021. If you get bitten by a flea from an infected animal this is passed on to the human. Chipmunks, prairie dogs, squirrels, rats and rabbits can carry this disease so best not to eat these animals it seems. Also Lake Tahoe was closed due to an outbreak just recently. It is not just in USA, China, UK also have had small outbreaks. Also, through science, it is treatable with rarely a death these days. So a plus for science here.
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                                                                                                • i am a fan of science - I am not a fan of homo sapiens
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                                                                                                • Linda CBLACK LIVES MATTER
                                                                                                  You do make me laugh. Some homo sapiens are OK. They are not all idiots at least I don't think I am.
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                                                                                                • NO - you are DEFINITELY not an idiot!
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                                                                                                • Linda CBLACK LIVES MATTER
                                                                                                  Thank you and neither are you
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                                                                                              • Never too much science. We have a lot to learn. But do it ethically.
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                                                                                                • Like all things there is good and bad. Science gave us the Atom Bomb and yes maybe the covid virus (unproven yet) but it has given us many good things also. Science is not the problem it's in whose hands it is in that is the problem. Sometimes I think they want to know too much and go too far and this is dangerous.
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                                                                                                • Science is not the problem, there's just too many people with unethical behaviour.
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                                                                                                • After seeing what Covid has done to the world, have to agree. But on the other hand we need science to find the answers to alot of the problems.
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