Discussion of the Day
Women's self protection
The dog house24-Mar-25
Do you feel that self-protection courses would be beneficial for women at no cost, paid for by the Government to encourage more women to protect themselves against harm?
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  • Linda C
    Women constantly have to be aware of their location, circumstances etc. We have to be aware of sexual advances, groping, drug in drinks, violent partners or family members. I do not think men worry about this much if at all.
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    • Grommie
      every time I hear or read ...paid for by the Government, I have to say... paid for by you. The Government doesn't earn any money, it takes it from you. It's called Tax. Self protection courses would be beneficial for everyone.
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      • Chretien 1650623
        I certainly believe that self-protection courses would be beneficial for women at no cost, paid for by the Government to encourage more women to protect themselves against harm, because, then many women will be able to protect themselves before being victims of crimes.
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        • Carrie C 565223
          Yep I wish they had this when I was younger !
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          • Pamela B 862973
            It might be for a good thing for woman.But the goveremnt should not be wasting money on something like this.
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            • Arthur 1638925
              Yes, I think free self- protection measures would be a good thing for women - especially if it is free for them.
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              • Richard T 543524
                It's a sad indictment on our society when people have to take courses to protect them selves from harm. May be we should go back to the basics and teach respect to ALL people regardless off colour, race religion etc.
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                • Holly Cat
                  Some places are offering free self defense classes for women this month (Women's History Month), so search online to see if anyone is in your area, it's usually a fitness center. A local thrift store near me has free classes this month.
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                  • stephen m 596524
                    why just women?
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                    • Noreen 1641671
                      Definitely
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                      • Michael 1324355
                        Yes Michael
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                        • Debra D 624780
                          My husband and I were coming home from the senior center this past Tuesday, we had a young person we did not know, try to hit us backwards full force with a pickup truck. I still have no idea why he did this, suspect he was high on something.
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                          • Debra D 624780
                            Absolutely, without a doubt, senior centers need this badly today. I would go if they would have this.
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                            • Diann 1652159
                              I think that would be good but the government is not going to pay
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                              • Saara F
                                Absolutely. All women should know how to defend themselves.
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                                • Heather N 69229
                                  Tell me why does EVERYONE think that violence against violence is a good thing???? Maybe we ALL should take a deep breath & realise sometimes walking away or avoiding situations can be the best options…yes I know some situations can’t be avoided…but maybe think before jumping in…yes I have been there & done that!!!!
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                                  • Debra D 624780
                                    Honestly, you cannot always walk away from violence, tell me this, has it ever happened to you, could you always walk away???
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                                • Jania S
                                  why do so many questions want something for nothing?? you want protection pay for it. stop asking gov
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                                  • Paula J 395266
                                    I wouldn't undertake it because I can hear a bone cracking.
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                                    • Judy T 470524
                                      I think it is a brilliant idea but it depends on the government. I can't see the government that we have in New Zealand right now paying for anything that benefits women,
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                                      • Angela 1484008
                                        Yes if it gives you skills and confidence.
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                                        • writerrochelle
                                          My greatest protection from harm is my Creator, Jehovah God. Matthew 6:13, "And do not bring us unto temptation, but deliver us from the wicked one." Psalm chapter 23:4, "Though I walk in the valley of deep shadow, I fear no harm, for you are with me, Your rod and your staff reassure me." ;-D
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                                          • Paula J 395266
                                            What time is your Memorial? Mine is 7.30 but my daughter's is 9 so if her husband doesn't have any duties they will go with us to mine. My husband and I usually go to whichever congregation has the earliest because we don't like driving in the dark.
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                                          • Rosemary E 383382
                                            isn't it "comfort me"
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                                          • writerrochelleRosemary E 383382
                                            Yes! In my older Bible, it does read, "Your rod and your staff are the things that comfort me.", and in the footnote in my newer Bible it reads, "or, comfort me". Our Governing Body search the scriptures, always studying the words, looking for a clearer understanding of our God's inspired words! ;-D
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                                          • writerrochellePaula J 395266
                                            Ours is 7:30pm also, but I only live about 4 blocks from our Kingdom Hall! I hate driving in the dark, too, but there's plenty of street lights the way I go! ;-D
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                                          • Paula J 395266writerrochelle
                                            Our problem is too many congregations for too few Kingdom Halls. My congregation has never had it's own Hall and the one we shared was sold and a much larger one built quite some distance away for quite a few congregations to share. Some of the brothers who live further away than I do found it time consuming travelling back and forth so either zoom or go to other congregations. Our numbers are growing but the price of land here is ridiculous.
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                                          • writerrochellePaula J 395266
                                            Never thought about that...Our Coupeville Kingdom Hall was also sold, and congregations had to split up. Love the New 10 minute talk about the tribulation, Armageddon and how we'll be 'restored' so we can do the work that's ahead! ;-D
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                                        • Ryan 1638528
                                          Yes I do. But I also believe that it may lead to "some" of the women to "Strike First" due to over believing in ones self from what was learned on how to defend
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                                          • Nathalie 1652448
                                            It will create a safety net for women to connect with others who want to defend themselves and others
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                                            • Monna 1650649
                                              Learning self defense at school would be a good option
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                                              • Hamzah S
                                                Everyone should learn self-defense but the government should not be paying for it. Rather discounts can be given for signing up or for signing up as a family.
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                                                • Jorge R
                                                  I think the self-protection is very important for all people
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                                                  • Sarah 1584311
                                                    No, a better investment would be self-improvement courses for men to stop being aggressors
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                                                    • Jennifer H 722364
                                                      Yes if it discourages domestic violence and death and self defense could save a life
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                                                      • Pam G 449028
                                                        There appears to be an awful lot of young girls attacking in packs, so I say no!
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                                                        • Katzeye
                                                          I'm of the opinion that self- defense should be taught in school for both females and males.
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                                                          • Greg B 520364
                                                            So you want someone to pay women to protect them selves. I wonder how women feel about being paid for services.
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                                                            • Lisa C 512027
                                                              Yes, but "paid for by the government" means paid for by the tax payer.
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                                                              • Sabine V
                                                                it's great to know but than far takes over and you forget and in that split second you loose
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                                                                • Ellen P 667007
                                                                  Yes - it's a no-brainer!
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                                                                  • Shemedarose M
                                                                    Absolutely 💯 there's so many bad guys out there.
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                                                                    • Wendy Q
                                                                      Definitely, so many weirdos out there. Recently on the news a girl got grabbed from behind by a stranger as she got off bus to walk 200 m to her home. Now her parents have to take her and bring her home from Uni. She yelled as she was grabbed so the man ran off. She was lucky. Self defence could help us all.
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                                                                      • APB
                                                                        When we talk about sexism..it seems to only apply to one sex...men don't get a look in...for example women are encouraged to go for breast screening..to avoid cancers...and it is free....men get breast cancer too..but we don't waste money mentioning that in the adverts...and if a man wants screening he has to pay for it...why?...are men expendable?... in the above example..should taxpayers pay for women to protect themselves from harm?...harm from where?...most of the young people who get stabbed and shot seem to be male....men are always the people reported in domestic violence cases in the media...but when men are the victims they never report it...they feel embarrassed..their friends would laugh at them..not standing up for yourself is a weakness..I knew someone like that...I also knew a girl who was trapped in a violent relationship with her female partner...you want to train both of them to fight better?...what about gay men?...don't they deserve the same?..so many things to consider there...Transgenders...transitioning...all this other weird stuff we now have to deal with....
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                                                                        • Debra D 624780
                                                                          Where we live, our insurance pays for my husband to be screened the same as a woman. Once I did have to prove he had a fractured back in the past, BEFORE they would do his test on his bones and he did have osteoprosis like I suspected. I had the same test done and I did not have to prove i had a fractured back, I always thought that was wrong. I had ostepenia. He had been taking Lupron shots for prostate cancer, I had not. I think those shots can cause fractures. We have the same identical insurance. I pay out over 600.00 per month for blue cross blue shield, medicare is primary. We each pay medicare 185.00 per month for that.
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                                                                      • Raelz
                                                                        I got my black belt in TKD, with Palado TaeKwonDo Academy in a small town, it took me 15yrs (as I had two kids during that time so a few breaks), but I kept returning (with my kids who are also Blue belts atm. I paid for it myself. I dealt with the petrol, the time, whilst working, and eventually (as the boys got older); the whinging!! IT WAS ALL WORTH IT AND STILL IS! Pay for it yourself, it teaches you/your kids self-confidence, patience, perseverance/ persistence! Govt should do their job; Roads, Rates, schools etc.
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                                                                        • Greg B 520364
                                                                          Way to go girl
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                                                                      • Derek 1638009
                                                                        Great idea
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                                                                        • Barbara H 1073102
                                                                          While I'm sure it is a good idea to know how to protect oneself, it can't be yet another thing the government is expected to pay for.
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                                                                          • Lisa C 512027
                                                                            The tax payer, not the government.
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                                                                          • Barbara H 1073102Lisa C 512027
                                                                            Exactly!!
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                                                                        • Bugalugs
                                                                          A great idea! Women are subjected to harm from Men and other Women. I know it is very unfashionable to mention anything which might benefit men for we are always cast as the Offenders, we are Always in the Wrong, every thing that goes wrong is the fault of only men BUT I think such a programme should also be offered to Men for they also are subjected to harm from other Men and some Women.
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                                                                          • Jane 1468168
                                                                            Always that one person who makes it about men.
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                                                                          • Bill CJane 1468168
                                                                            A sexist comment if I ever saw one.
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                                                                        • Glenyse H
                                                                          I like this idea as it will get females physically better health wise as well
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                                                                          • Peter L
                                                                            i read a lot of these comments but they don't say about what cause some of the violence in the home a small percent is cause by the mental abuse by the woman i'm a quite guy and respect all people who respect me but i have though about telling people to shut the f..k up but i know this might lead to violence so i walk away but people do walk all over you
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                                                                            • Helen E 469767
                                                                              basic teaching should happen in schools
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                                                                              • Roeli L
                                                                                Yes, a good idea.
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                                                                                • SueS
                                                                                  Always be aware of your surroundings and do not put yourself in a vulnerable position. Sometimes fighting back can make you worse off.
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                                                                                  • Sylvia Y
                                                                                    Take care and avoid toxic situations, it is getting to the point of being ridiculous what people are expecting the taxpayer (not the government) to fund.
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                                                                                    • Debbie W 69651
                                                                                      I don't see why basic self defence classes are not taught in school.
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                                                                                      • Greg B 520364
                                                                                        For both sexes.
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                                                                                    • Alison 1593368
                                                                                      I would much rather spend the money on dealing with the perpetrators than on the victims as it is on their heads that the fault lies not on us. Bt I think we are all in a s..t load of trouble while the lying thieving misogynist is in the white house and all the cronies have come out all guns blazing as he gives them permission to act in violence against any who disagrees with their mind set.Good luck people we will all need it as it does not seem the will in america to reign in his fear and loathing his election has unleashed.
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                                                                                      • Shawn B 1061185
                                                                                        How sad. The level of fear is pretty much, in my mind, is completely understated. But it makes me wonder about the statistics that say so many girls/women are assaulted that not very many people believe. While the percentage is quite high, if you're a victim the odds of an attack change to 100%. A huge contributor to this crisis are the 'domestic' attacks. The question is would a voluntary self defence course be of any assistance, I'm pretty sure a government sponsored self protection course would be so short that all it might do is give someone a false sense of security that may lead one to ignore danger signals. Learning to protect yourself physically could very well include physical self defence course, but a short effort won't help much. There are lots of free courses out there that will teach you how to avoid the risks (as much as possible anyway) that are out there just waiting for you.
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                                                                                        • doris t 277529
                                                                                          I have done a multitude of self-defence courses but they were never enough to protect myself from attacks by a violent, drunken, muscleman partner. Have the scars from broken bones and ongoing concussion issues to prove it. could protect myself against random strangers or any one in my fight classes (never lost a fight) but had no hope in my situations.
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                                                                                          • John 1362447
                                                                                            One would hope that society was such that it wasn't needed
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                                                                                            • Ellen P 667007
                                                                                              We ALL hope that, but let's be realistic!
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                                                                                            • John 1362447Ellen P 667007
                                                                                              It's great to be realistic but we should try to achieve that situation. Many say the two major political parties are what we're stuck with, "what can we do" well we can all play a role in getting rid of them even though we only have one vote, it takes action, same as is needed to try to make women safe.
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                                                                                          • Judy 1514577
                                                                                            Yes for sure
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                                                                                            • Elizabeth A 807208
                                                                                              definitely
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                                                                                              • Catharina 1633156
                                                                                                By all means, yes!!
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                                                                                                • Larry S 382961
                                                                                                  A swift kick in the groin solves it
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                                                                                                  • Katzeye
                                                                                                    Or a stab in the eyes with your keys!
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                                                                                                • Paul J 94868
                                                                                                  Every woman should have a black belt in cooking and cleaning. :)
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                                                                                                  • Linda C
                                                                                                    and every man should have a black belt in respect and protection of women and children but alas this seems to have been neglected badly but then it has not changed over millennium.
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                                                                                                  • Paul J 94868Linda C
                                                                                                    Agreed.. I have one of those...
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                                                                                                  • Bill C
                                                                                                    A sexist comment Paul J.
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                                                                                                  • Paul J 94868Bill C
                                                                                                    It was meant as a light hearted comment...I can cook and clean as well as anyone...I suppose i should have said every woman and man...Apologies to everyone who feels hurt or upset by my comment...
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                                                                                                  • Linda CPaul J 94868
                                                                                                    Funny I took it as you have a black belt in respect and protection of women and children. ???
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                                                                                                  • Paul J 94868Linda C
                                                                                                    Thanks Linda. That is absolutely what i meant. :)
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                                                                                                • Joe B 288252
                                                                                                  No but I believe there should be much more support for people to leave abusive relationships, being man, woman, kids and pets to find a safe haven
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                                                                                                  • Kelly 1436617
                                                                                                    No, absolutely not. Use your street smarts. Unless you have been wrapped in cotton wool your whole life. Teach children from a young age to be independent, strong and resilient
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                                                                                                    • Ellessri
                                                                                                      Yes, this should be a thing, and there are places that do offer these to domestic violence sufferers and victims of crime.
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                                                                                                      • Mopos
                                                                                                        Do research, there are free workshops for all types of defence for men, women, boys and girls. No, the Government should not fund or pay for "everything" there is plenty of help out there for those who want or need it.
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                                                                                                        • Mary M 329762
                                                                                                          Good idea but end of the how know its works
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                                                                                                          • Laura W 363255
                                                                                                            Would be beneficial but depends on circumstances. Most DV happens in the home!
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                                                                                                              HI Christina C 466456
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                                                                                                              • Samantha 1652243
                                                                                                                I really agree as women don't do these classes can't afford I would do if paid for and good fitness.
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                                                                                                                • Biscuit
                                                                                                                  There are many comments on here saying it’s a sexist question and bringing out the ”what about men” line. Of course men suffer from violence too however when one woman a week in Australia is killed by a man (usually one she knows) the statistics are far outweighed. It’s not a sexist question, that’s not how “sexist” works. It is a frightening problem for women. That’s the bottom line. Teach men and raise boys to respect women. It is the responsibility of men to do better. Women shouldn’t be in a situation to need self defence.
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                                                                                                                  • Andrew C 287196
                                                                                                                    It is sexist to restrict or discriminate anything to one gender - that's the definition of the word. If this is a good idea (I'm not saying it is or isn't, other than being yet another expense on taxpayer's pockets), then the classes should be open to *anybody* who wants to participate: male, female, young, old, black, white, green with yellow polka dots, etc. ... *THAT* is true 'equality'.
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                                                                                                                  • BiscuitAndrew C 287196
                                                                                                                    the question is would self defence courses be beneficial for women. Well, men just keep on killing us. So yes it would be helpful and of course anyone should be open to take classes. Awfully sorry to any men or polka dotted people that felt left out. Enough whataboutism.
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                                                                                                                  • Linda CAndrew C 287196
                                                                                                                    There is an epidemic of women being killed by partners and or being bashed and left broken. Yes others are suffering but at a smaller percentage. Let's face it. Men are bigger, stronger and aggressive and their attitude towards women and often weaker people is tantamount to bullying and therein lies the problem. It is not discriminate to say women need some sort of help whether it be where to go in times of need, support, proper execution of AVO's etc. jail for the perpetrators who stalk and intimidate and physically abuse etc. I have had immediate family members, friends, work colleagues - all women - who have been battered, stalked and terrified.
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                                                                                                                  • BiscuitLinda C
                                                                                                                    It’s ironic that a question regarding women needing self defence courses for protection against what would 95% of the time be men, has men asking “what about my self defence classes?”
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                                                                                                                  • Andrew C 287196Biscuit
                                                                                                                    Personally I couldn't care less about having self-defence classes for myself. I was simply replying to your comment to say that it actually is sexist to have women-only classes. The reason for theses particular classes wasn't really relevant - it could have been art classes, yoga classes, wallpaper hanging classes, tying your shoelaces classes, ... Having said that, if you really want to go the statistics route, then, depending on which statistics you want to believe, it actually tends to be the other way around - more men are physically assaulted and physically threatened than women ... "42% of men (4.0 million) have experienced physical violence, including: - 34% (3.3 million) who experienced physical assault - 19% (1.8 million) who experienced physical threat 31% of women (3.1 million) have experienced physical violence, including: - 27% (2.7 million) who experienced physical assault - 11% (1.1 million) who experienced physical threat Men were more likely than women to experience physical violence (both assault and threat)." https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/people/crime-and-justice/physical-violence/latest-release The simple fact is that anybody who wants self-defence classes should be able to get them, especially if they are being funded by the tax-payer.
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                                                                                                                  • Linda CAndrew C 287196
                                                                                                                    OK men have experienced violence but how many have received that at the hands of their partners. Men go to Pubs and get in brawls or are more prone to throwing a punch than most women are so yes their testosterone would get them in these situations with other men. This subject I feel is about violence against women and children in domestic situations.
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                                                                                                                • IdentifyAs
                                                                                                                  yes, many women cant afford these classes
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                                                                                                                  • Fay H 516126
                                                                                                                    I always think it's up to the individual whether they want to learn and free courses could be offered but how many would take them up. I sometimes think that women should be more aware off their surroundings. If you feel like someone is following you go to a safe place never walk through unlighted areas where people could be hiding and if you are travelling on public transport at night sit up near the driver or near where others are sitting and be aware of seeing the same person too many times unless off course they live near you.
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                                                                                                                    • Lucie 1571988
                                                                                                                      It is surely not a bad idea...yes, interesting idea.
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                                                                                                                      • Elizabeth 1354187
                                                                                                                        This would be so good.
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                                                                                                                        • JANN R
                                                                                                                          Yes when I was at boarding school my dad put me in a self defence class and it helped me feel safe at home one of our workers said ok I will come at you show me what you can do within a second he was on his back on the ground and he could not beleive what I did he was very tall and I was only about 5 feet at the time he said to me after you are going to be ok you will get yourself out of any trouble you are faced with but as time went no I never had to use it to defend myself I was lucky even now at 74 I would be able to defend myself
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                                                                                                                          • Maria B 89860
                                                                                                                            from a mere 75 yro fellow 5 "footer" WELL DONE JANNR!! oh a small PS my sons gave me the best advice ever. I think?? Told me if I ever get attacked "just talkat me mum and they'll RUN AWAY!!!!"
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                                                                                                                        • Crazy Nanny
                                                                                                                          Definitely
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                                                                                                                          • Danielle R 478487
                                                                                                                            Self protection for all. And this includes all ages to. Random attacks of violence when out or in the home can occur for all sexualising,all ages with devastating consequences. I have have lost friends both male and female to violent attacks. And have friends that have been raped. Laws are too soft. These all need to be improved. When I was a teen I was taught self defence at school,the whole school did it. There was a series of murders in my small town all committed at local phone boxes. We even had an imposed curfew for a while. No one ,unless travelling in a vehicle could be out after 10pm. The perpetrator was never found.
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                                                                                                                            • diana 1578758
                                                                                                                              Why does the government always need to pay for things how about putting criminals in jail longer
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                                                                                                                              • Joe B 288252
                                                                                                                                Unfortunately the government still has to pay But it would certainly be a step in the right direction
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                                                                                                                            • Kishore B
                                                                                                                              I think yes it is beneficial for women. But what about man Or boy? They also face similar problem and they also need to protection.
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                                                                                                                              • Teresa R 1078981
                                                                                                                                Yes, it would be great
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                                                                                                                                • Tara R 637512
                                                                                                                                  yes
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                                                                                                                                  • Priscilla R 316016
                                                                                                                                    Encourage this by all means. No good passing laws for it as there are no authorities/magistrates willing to enforce it!
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                                                                                                                                    • Helen 1624449
                                                                                                                                      yes
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                                                                                                                                      • Victoria 1304258
                                                                                                                                        Yes!
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                                                                                                                                        • Robert T 597718
                                                                                                                                          the women are becoming more masculine
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                                                                                                                                          • Irene 1647103
                                                                                                                                            Absolutely! All women should know how to protect themselves.
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                                                                                                                                            • Rebecca 1649866
                                                                                                                                              Well of course I would totally be for something like that for woman who don’t really know very much self protection courses paid by the government so that those woman who don’t know how to use self protection can and would definitely benefit from courses like that
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                                                                                                                                              • P F
                                                                                                                                                It's a shame that it has come to this. In Australia there is a massive shortage of police, teachers and health care workers. (By 1000's in each state) The government doesn't want to invest in better pay and conditions so people are opting for other professions. So the only option left is to protect yourself. Last time I made a complaint at my local police station about some suspicious teenagers harassing a girl I couldn't get through on the phone. And then when I went down in person, I had to wait 45 min in line because their was only one officer on duty.
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                                                                                                                                                • Carolyn K 714554
                                                                                                                                                  Yes!!! Now just convince the government to implement it.
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                                                                                                                                                  • Elizabeth T 396096
                                                                                                                                                    If you believe it is important, then pay for it. It is unreasonable for the government to pay for everything. This is also a sexist way of thinking as men are also subject to being attacked for no reason and I know plenty of women who have defended their men because they knew how to fight and the men did not.
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                                                                                                                                                    • Juliebum50
                                                                                                                                                      Yes sounds like a great idea. Would also MAYBE discourage potential threats...
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                                                                                                                                                      • Ray G 409591
                                                                                                                                                        A good idea..my four daughters all gained black belts in Tae Kwon Do .God help anybody who attacked them
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                                                                                                                                                        • pam rae
                                                                                                                                                          learning in schools sounds like a good thing
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                                                                                                                                                          • Izabelle 1457992
                                                                                                                                                            That's a good idea, if it helps reduce crime it would save some kind of tax money.. criminals might think twice knowing more women have the ability to protect themselves.. but I've seen more men than women get mugged/attacked in my city seems like. I always carry pepper spray but I'm a scraggly person so I don't get bothered much anyways, I walk everywhere everyday and know most of the addicts and homeless people around here so that's the best protection! Just being nice
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                                                                                                                                                            • Claude H
                                                                                                                                                              NO The Government has enough on their plate now
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                                                                                                                                                              • Lachelle B
                                                                                                                                                                No. It makes more sense to have a community group teach this and you donate a gold coin. My dad taught me to box at a young age.
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                                                                                                                                                                • Diana 1651048
                                                                                                                                                                  basic self-defence should be taught at schools. Classes should be offered in all secondary education and publicly offered courses, so that women who want to learn more can at their own expense. It takes nothing to do a Google search on how to be aware of your surroundings. But courses in physical defense are not free and they often require one-on-one instruction. People should remember...our Tax dollars are what the Gov't is spending. If they have to spend more, they take more. The politicians aren't going to voluntarily give up their pay or pension to contribute to classes for women.
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                                                                                                                                                                  • Helena H
                                                                                                                                                                    There should be a course in schools, I was taught a few things when I was 16, came in handy, still remember a few movements and I'm 84 now.
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                                                                                                                                                                    • Teri 1282723
                                                                                                                                                                      I think it's a very good idea for the government to pay for these courses for women. For reasons beyond my thinking, some men and women just feel the need to try to overpower us, no matter how old we are. Prison, public humiliation, rules of society - none of these things deter bad people from lashing out. Women pay our taxes too so it makes sense that we get some of that money spent on us.
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                                                                                                                                                                      • Frank K 593543
                                                                                                                                                                        I think it's a great idea
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                                                                                                                                                                        • lin r
                                                                                                                                                                          Women should pay for it themselves
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                                                                                                                                                                          • Maria B 89860
                                                                                                                                                                            I totally agree with Tupulu S, yes the Government should pay for it.
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                                                                                                                                                                            • Val 1394045
                                                                                                                                                                              Women should pay for it themselves
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                                                                                                                                                                              • Cynthia 1521546
                                                                                                                                                                                Yes absolutely!!!!!
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