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Evolution versus creation
Trevor A19-Sep-21
There is a plethora of arguments for and against the above. Towards the end of his life Charles Darwin became skeptical of his theory of evolution. Science is knowledge gained from observable facts. Theory is how we try to link facts to make a story. Given that new facts (evidence) can dramatically change the story should we still see evolution and creation as either/or argument.
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  • Roy 1536063
    It is not a question of evolution versus creation. The question is what am I doing here, what is the meaning of my life and where am I going when I leave this life. Each individual knows in the thoughts of his mind that there is a creator The fact you are here is because there is a creator. The creation itself proves beyond any doubt that there was and is a creator. The bible is the only book ever written that tells us who the creator is, what He expects of you and where you are going when you die. Every person will give an account of his or her life. You don;t have to beleive this if you don't doesn't matter you will still give an account. The people that has did you wrong will not get away with it, they will give account because there is a creator. There is two world views, nothing created nothing or God created everything. I know and am persuaded God created everything. The people that have their faith in evolution theory, has never read and studied the Bible. Please people get real read and study your bible. Anyone who believes nothing created nothing is just that a nothing. I thank God that He and He alone has given me the Wonderful Gift of Life. Life is so precious never take it for granted, study the Bible and learn about God.
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    • Gunter L
      Creation and evolution can co-exist.
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      • Luv ur
        As per the Bible and additional written witness of Christ, the Book of Mormon, God is the creator of "world's without number". Now that settles it. Science in not capable of the divinity that went into creating our world and others in other galaxies. We aren't the only "people" on an "Earth". Only a God with all power and governed by law Himself could create the world(s).
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        • roger b 167654
          The Book of Mormon is a good musical, but I wouldn't base my world view on it.
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      • Christina C 466456
        A few thoughts to ponder over... Most religious statements about god/s describe an advanced sentient being or beings. Many of our greatest scientific minds (Einstein, Stephen Hawking, Neil deGrasse Tyson, Michio Kaku, Carl Sagan to name a few) believe that it's unlikely we are the only life forms in this universe considering the vastness of space and it's resources. We are discovering habitable zoned exoplanets frequently after all and finding many regions of space having organic compounds (building blocks for life) through observation methods. Assuming we are the only sentient, intelligent beings in this universe through lack of observation is a BOLD statement considering we haven't explored every exoplanet in the universe for life's signatures. Such a statement would be similar to a group of humans, stranded on a small island with no means of escaping, concluding that they are the only intelligent beings on earth when earth has a lot more land to explore. Sound familiar? What if advanced sentient beings existed before we did? What if they investigated primitive humans who may have concluded these advanced beings to be gods due to lack of scientific understanding? What if our DNA was crafted in a lab which may have been primordial earth at the time and this was the seed for all life on earth? We are genetically modifying organisms now so is it possible that other beings have done this before us? What if intelligent sentient beings have been studying us for a long time like we study insects, birds or other creatures on earth without them knowing? Can we really conclude that we are truly alone out there in the universe?
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        • Pato Lo Duck
          It’s possible life appeared on Mars before it appeared on Earth and we got rafted here on a lump of rock or two. If that is so then technically we are all Martians.. And therefore, also all aliens.
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      • Timtam
        Creationism is a load of bollocks. There is no credible evidence at all. It is based on belief and faith not facts. No Darwin did not become skeptical of the theory of Evolution this is simply not true.
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        • Margarita S
          At the end we all just talking monkeys, don’t you see it?
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          • Megan K 659578
            Both. We were created at some point somehow but we have also evolved which we can prove and see.
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            • Darren S 116121
              We are the aliens
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              • Carolyn7 P
                I got thrown out of Sunday School for questioning this subject. I guess it depends on if you are religious or scientific.
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                • Luv ur
                  I'm spiritual and scientific based, but I'm sorry, the evidence is I overwhelming that this World and many others were created by a perfect, law bound entity, known as God.
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              • Christina C 466456
                Research is ongoing. What was established previously to be accurate may later be considered inaccurate through new discovery. People can chose what they want to follow until it is discredited.
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                • roger b 167654
                  That's certainly true - science changes all the time, so it's good to have all the evidence to make a correct decision, but a rational person can't believe in something if there is no evidence to support it in the first place.
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                • Christina C 466456roger b 167654
                  Yes and no. Rational people theorised that there were subatomic particles before they were discovered. They weren't able to see them at the time but they made a judgement based on what they believe to be true for a number of reasons.
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                • roger b 167654Christina C 466456
                  Yes, evidence based calculations
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                • Christina C 466456roger b 167654
                  So far we don't know for certain where we came from. Any rational person will tell you that. We haven't invented abiogenesis yet so until then creation can be just as rational as evolution and by evolution I am going back to chemical concoctions before DNA and single celled organisms. Till then I will maintain an open mind.
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                • roger b 167654Christina C 466456
                  except you're saying that because theory A may not have all the evidence and may have updated evidence we should therefore believe theory B which has absolutely no evidence whatsoever - how is that rational?
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                • Christina C 466456roger b 167654
                  Another comparison would be that the ancient Romans knew what static electricity was but they didn't know what created it. They didn't know that it was the flow of electrons because technology didn't exist. It could easily have been accepted as an act of god or as a natural phenomenon at the time but theories changed over time when Gilbert/Browne/Franklin/Faraday/Rutherford/Edison/Tesla and so forth emerged along with new discoveries. No one has achieved abiogenesis yet so creationism and evolution can both be plausible. We don't know if we were created by a God, the Earth, an advanced alien or civilisation, a hitchhiking microbe on a meteorite who knows? No one knows for sure and that is a FACT and any rational person would tell you that. So going forward, either theory works until concrete facts are established.
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                • roger b 167654Christina C 466456
                  No, both are not equally plausible - one has a lot of evidence and concrete facts and one has no evidence whatsoever - one is far more plausible than the other. You've just shown how theories become more plausible over time when more research and discoveries are made.
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                • Christina C 466456roger b 167654
                  Yes theories can become more plausible over time. Basically what I am trying to explain is evolution works up to a certain point - to the DNA level. There is also chemical evolution but that also goes up to a certain level. We haven't been able to create life from scratch without using already existing parts created from living things AKA abiogenesis. When/if we discover abiogenesis we can establish what conditions create life/concrete facts. Until that point creation can be plausible before evolution kicks in because the chemical evolution for life to emerge has not yet been discovered. Discovering abiogenesis would truly god like and if someone creates a life form that flourishes on another planet would that make that person a God? Makes ya think doesn't it and this may still promote creationism but we will be so advanced that it may not have as much significance.Saying there is no advanced being capable of creating life due to the fact that we have not observed this being is like saying aliens don't exist because we haven't seen them.
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                • roger b 167654Christina C 466456
                  I guess that depends on how advanced that civilization was - certainly it could be imagined that in that scenario that being would be considered a God. By saying something can exist because we have not observed it opens up a situation where anything can exist as we can't rule it out - the tooth fairy, santa, a giant lizard overlord - leprechauns - the list is endless.
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                • Christina C 466456roger b 167654
                  That is true. But if such a being/s existed and were so advanced they would truly be almighty (vastly capable), omnipresent (could have left their signature in the original life form from which life on that planet evolved - DNA being an incredibly efficient method of information storage or omnipresent could refer to interstellar travel), all hearing of our prayers (advanced telecommunications and telepathy - telepathy almost plausible with modern technology FYI), capable of performing many miracles (through science/advanced tech) loving everyone/thing that spawned from their lifeform and spiteful from resistance to governance (entirely plausible - just look at our own politics throughout history). A lot of religious texts have common themes (some of which mentioned above) circulating around the concept of God/s and some things that occurred in religious texts have been established as history (factual and widely accepted amongst historians). God/s/he/she/it/things words would have been a combination of primitive understanding, interpretation and ultimately subject to mankind's influence whether that's political or not. Personally I believe some of what is written in biblical texts to be true (mostly the verified historical parts and some of the good sage advice that it offers) and plausible, and some things I am open to possibility, but I also acknowledge all of the information was written by mankind which has a history of corruption. So I take what I want from it and form my own opinions. In a nutshell I won't discredit creationism or evolution because I know we don't have the knowledge for the discrepancies in theory.
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                • roger b 167654Christina C 466456
                  That is true - a lot of religious texts have common themes - many going back to more ancient civilisations like the Egyptians. They were written of their time, hence condoning slavery didn't seem out of place. My whole point is both evolution or creationism, in theory, are plausible, but one is far, far more plausible than the other due to overwhelming evidence.
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              • Wendy Q
                It brought life to our planet. But, didn't happen overnight. Took millions of years from the tiniest cell to mature into what we know today as life. Dinosaurs existed for sure.
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                • Anna Rogers
                  As well as being a Christian it’s a matter of common sense. After all you don’t see primates changing into humans do you? Wether you choose to believe or not we are each a unique, special individual created by God from (in the majority of cases) human love.
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                  • roger b 167654
                    Evolution 101 - depends what evolutionary line you're on, but primates around today are on a different line, so won't change into humans.
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                • john v 551148
                  im evolving, getting better looking every day
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                  • Joe B 288252
                    Dang, I must be devolving…….losing weight every month. Hard yakka but worth it…..lol
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                • Paula J 395266
                  Charles Darwin looked at nature and felt it was unfair as it was the survival of the fittest and that a loving creator wouldn't allow that. However, he had forgotten that Adam changed the course of history by disobeying a command. Nothing is the way it was intended, the creator is a loving one but he is allowing time for mankind to see for himself that he is incapable of dealing fairly for everyone. I was always sure that I was a product of creation but even more so since taking a DNA test, and happily there are no monkey's in my family tree.
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                  • roger b 167654
                    You do know we share 98.6% of DNA with Chimps, don't you?
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                  • Paula J 395266roger b 167654
                    We all share up to 60% DNA with every living thing. I share 50% with a Fruit Fly but none of my family has ever had wings. I guess like any good creator once finished God decided to use a good idea over and over again.
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                  • roger b 167654Paula J 395266
                    98.6% is far more than 50% though. We share a lot of common traits with Chimps, as you would expect with being closely related, but not much with a fruit fly as they're on different lines. The evidence is all there if you are open to factual accounts.
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                • Daniel T 626103
                  The huge universe is obvious proof of intelegent design and creation by God.
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                  • Campbell C 184664
                    God failed spelling?
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                • Sarah G 76834
                  In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. There could be no clearer statement than that. Also symbiotic relationships prove it - eg the flower could not live without the bee.
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                  • Lorraine M 260790
                    This is a tad long but somewhat lighter than some of the comments I am reading.......enjoy! (I certainly don't think an adult could explain this more beautifully!) THIS IS FABULOUS!!! It was written by an 8-year-old named Danny Dutton, who lives in Chula Vista , CA . He wrote it for his third grade homework assignment, to 'explain God.' I wonder if any of us could have done as well?[ .... And he had such an assignment, in California , and someone published it, I guess miracles do happen ! ... ] EXPLANATION OF GOD:'One of God's main jobs is making people. He makes them to replace the ones that die, so there will be enough people to take care of things on earth. He doesn't make grownups, just babies. I think because they are smaller and easier to make. That way he doesn't have to take up his valuable time teaching them to talk and walk. He can just leave that to mothers and fathers.' 'God's second most important job is listening to prayers. An awful lot of this goes on, since some people, like preachers and things, pray at times beside bedtime. God doesn't have time to listen to the radio or TV because of this. Because he hears everything, there must be a terrible lot of noise in his ears, unless he has thought of a way to turn it off.' 'God sees everything and hears everything and is everywhere which keeps Him pretty busy. So you shouldn't go wasting his time by going over your mom and dad's head asking for something they said you couldn't have.' 'Atheists are people who don't believe in God. I don't think there are any in Chula Vista ... At least there aren't any who come to our church.' 'Jesus is God's Son. He used to do all the hard work, like walking on water and performing miracles and trying to teach the people who didn't want to learn about God.. They finally got tired of him preaching to them and they crucified him But he was good and kind, like his father, and he told his father that they didn't know what they were doing and to forgive them and God said O.K.' 'His dad (God) appreciated everything that he had done and all his hard work on earth so he told him he didn't have to go out on the road anymore. He could stay in heaven. So he did. And now he helps his dad out by listening to prayers and seeing things which are important for God to take care of and which ones he can take care of himself without having to bother God. Like a secretary, only more important.' 'You can pray anytime you want and they are sure to help you because they got it worked out so one of them is on duty all the time.' 'You should always go to church on Sunday because it makes God happy, and if there's anybody you want to make happy, it's God! Don't skip church to do something you think will be more fun like going to the beach. This is wrong. And besides the sun doesn't come out at the beach until noon anyway.' 'If you don't believe in God, besides being an atheist, you will be very lonely, because your parents can't go everywhere with you, like to camp, but God can. It is good to know He's around you when you're scared, in the dark or when you can't swim and you get thrown into real deep water by big kids.' 'But.....you shouldn't just always think of what God can do for you. I figure God put me here and he can take me back anytime he pleases. And...that's why I believe in God.' (If you believe in God, please pass this on, and may God bless you too.) Have an awesome day, and know that someone has thought of you!
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                    • Heather M 241632
                      I believe the Bible. In the beginning, God created the heaven and the earth. He spoke everything into existence in six days.
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                      • Victoria 315341
                        Yes !
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                        • linda f 89743
                          all just a happy accident in the universal chaos
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                          • Josephina
                            your not an accident and you were created for a reason! <3 :-)
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                        • Christine B 392571
                          Evolution
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                          • diane c QLD
                            no comment
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                            • Tara K 164673
                              Nothing + Time + Death = Evolution; Intelligence + Design + Life = Creation. I choose creation.
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                              • Joanne D 188999 NZ
                                Its hard to say, yet there is no mention of dinosaurs in the bible, and many christians dont believe they existed.
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                                • Heather M 241632
                                  The word "dinosaur" was invented in the 1800's and so it couldn't appear in the Bible, which was written long before then. However, the word "behemoth" does appear in Job 40:15-24 to describe a powerful animal that moves its tail like a cedar.
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                                • Joanne D 188999 NZHeather M 241632
                                  thanks for that, wish I knew that when I was going to church, then I could have pointed it out to the stupid pastor.
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                                • Carolyn7 PJoanne D 188999 NZ
                                  I got in trouble with this line of question at church. I wanted to know where the cavemen and dinosaurs came into the time line and I was basically told to stop questioning that.
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                              • Imperia S
                                I actually believe Charles Darwin's theory,
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                                • Josephina
                                  your no accident, you were created for a reason, and GOd has a plan you! :-)
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                              • judy W 15921
                                God created the animals then the humans, I believe in the bible
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                                • Peter O 164296
                                  I don't think the ideas of creation & evolution are mutually exclusive. There's a fair bit of science out there which proves that we share high percentages of our DNA with some species of ape. Could God have created humans as a separate entity? Possibly. Could Hea have created the basic structure & allowed it to evolve in its own way? Possibly. Do I know which is which? Absolutely not, but hopefully, assuming an afterlife, I'll find out eventually.
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                                  • Steve
                                    We will probably never ever know the answer However I believe that they still haven’t found the missing link (evidence) that we actually “Evolved” So now, I’m leaning towards The Creation Theory
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                                    • Paul B 522937
                                      Blame it on the apple tree
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                                      • Pato Lo Duck
                                        Damn apples, they are always sticking their noses in things they don’t understand… Take that apple that brained Newton for instance.. What would it know about gravity…?? (Actually the truth is it didn’t hit him on the head, he was engaged in some correspondence with a colleague about why apples fall straight down when the penny dropped.. I doubt pennies know much about gravity either) Probably both apples and pennies think God created them..
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                                    • Dimitri T 100433
                                      complex subject with a great variety of views/theories
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                                      • Phyrephly
                                        just wondering, where in the evolutionary scale, does, say, a naughty child fit in? or a psychopath? or a jay-walker, or litterer, (someone who throws their rubbish on the ground for others to pick up), for that matter? Where did sin come from, out of evolution? What is it's purpose?
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                                        • Igor A
                                          Fits very easy. Individual mutations. That happen every time a new person is born. Then the life conditions decide if it is good or bad.
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                                        • Phyrephly
                                          where does the "mutation" for, say, pedophilia, fit in? What purpose does that serve, in evolution, seeing as how we're presumably meant to be evolving into higher types of existence?
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                                        • Igor AIgor A
                                          Fits very easy. Mutation does not have to be Good. It is random. Mutation means random. It can be bad. We can control it superficially by educating etc. Mutation principle is "we have what we have". Then the environment, the society, other conditions decide if the mutation is Good or Bad for the individual. May be bad for the society. It does not serve a purpose as people understand it. It serves the statistics "survive or die".
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                                      • Gaza
                                        Religion is man made and as far as I'm concerned a load of garbage. We. as humans, are just like a flower, they produce young then wither and die. So the cycle goes on.
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                                        • Nobody's business
                                          Well said
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                                        • Josephina
                                          ;-( very sad attitude and not entirely true. Catholic is a man made religion, hinduism .... christianity was a man who came to earth, born as a human and was also God. He came, not bring peace, but a sword, to divide the sheep from the goats (those who will follow HIM vs those who will do whatever they want.) and there will be only a small number who will stay with faithful...
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                                        • GazaJosephina
                                          garbage.
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                                        • Margarita SGaza
                                          Agree, as you can see that religious people do not evolve, they are washing the same garbage through their brain all over again, naming their god like it is a man (him, his, he). God is not a man not a person, there is no god above our heads who is sitting on the cloud and making people. All humans are monkeys, just the talking ones. :D religious people never take responsibility, it’s god’s plan, god knows, god wanted…. Whatever it is but I am finding it sad and at the same time it’s a typical for humans
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                                        • GazaMargarita S
                                          Well said and true.
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                                      • Judy T 470524
                                        Evolution
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                                        • Beverley K 200773
                                          Creation
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                                          • Robert T 597718
                                            We all come from Ireland Eire
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                                            • Louisa W
                                              Who knows we came from somewhere is what in say.
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                                              • Bev
                                                Perhaps evolution will make a decent human being.
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                                                • Alan A, 2527- NSW
                                                  Evolution, say Hi to my uncle Bill in the picture above.
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                                                  • Pato Lo Duck
                                                    Hi Bill..
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                                                • Yin Girl
                                                  Evolution for me too
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                                                  • Joy, NZ
                                                    Evolution - no doubt.
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                                                    • Paul J 94868
                                                      Creation...
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                                                      • doug m 408074
                                                        either/or - no argument there, evolution all the way!
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                                                        • Mooi
                                                          I firmly believe in Evolution. When I watch documentaries especially with Jane Goodall and her time with the chimpanzees and Sir David Attenborough it blows my mind. Charles Darwin didn't always get it right but for his time he was amazing with his studies, considering what he had to work with. I do however believe that life from conception to being born is a miracle.
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                                                          • Wendy Q
                                                            With all the evidence compiled I believe in evolution.
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                                                            • Bugalugs
                                                              The theory of "Creation" is based upon Religion. Given that we live in a so-called Western Society, the three main religions are, in age, Jusaism, Christianity and Islam. All have their basis in what is called "The Old Testament" of the Bible with Christians having added the New Testament. If you dare, put aside all you have been taught (brain-washed?) so far and actually read the Bible. Who created the World? A man, who, allegedly, wrote down the Ten Commandments and claimed they had been dictated by this unseen deity called Yahweh, God or Allah. A man. Who was the angel who came to tell Mary she was pregnant? A man. Who allegedly wrote the Koran" A man. Who wrote down all the Laws? A man and they claimed that they had been inspired by this god. Have a look at the Laws and the punishments for breaking those laws. Who come off worst is all scenarios? Women. The story goes that a husband and wife were leaving a city and this god supposedly told the woman that if she looked back at the city she would be turned into a pillar of Salt. There was no such punishment for the man if he did so. If a Woman commits adultery her husband can have her stoned to death. There is no such punishment for Men - which given that, historically, men have been far more likely to commit adultery that is patently unfair. Who wrote those Rules? Men. According to these three Mosaic religions you will read that Women are the property of, firstly, their Fathers, on marriage they become the property of their husband, should their husband die she is required to marry her husbands brother, should a wife die, and many of them did in child-birth, there are no such rules for the husband. In the event a woman did not marry on the death of her father she becomes the property of her eldest surviving brother - even though he may be many years younger than her. Put the Bible down and have a look at these three religions today. Until very recently Women were not allowed to become Rabbis, The biggest Christian sect, the Roman Catholic Church does not allow Women to become Priests - yes they allow them to become Nuns but they are still subject to the rules laid down by men. Islam does not allow women to become imams. Both Islam and Judaism ban women from sitting in the Synagogue or Mosque with the men. Why? Because these "evil creatures" might distract the men from communing with Their God! We are told this Yahweh/God/Allah created the entire world and everything in it - that includes all Viruses, Bacteria which gave the world such nasties as Polio, TB, Smallpox - any illness you can think of, Dementia. He even created the Devil! A Woman was the cause of the downfall of Men! According to Christians we are all born in sin. The entire concept of some other-worldly being - naturally it Mist be Male - is totally illogical. What was that order Jesus allegedly gave to his followers? "Give up your house, your land and everything that is yours (that includes your wife and children) and follow me" Have a look at every single Christian Sect: The Roman Catholic Church, the Church of England (Anglicans), Uniting, Lutheran, Hillsong, Baptists, Jehovah Witness and any others you can think of and what do you see? Wealth, extraordinary Wealth - gold, jewels, property,. buildings, land and it is never enough for any of them, some demand you give them at least 10% of your income - no matter how lowly you are paid. The entire concept is a gigantic fraud.
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                                                              • Jenny L 591463
                                                                Oh My God..... I was brought up with my Dad who does not believe in God at all, I failed religious education at school and he was so proud of me. I failed because I hated the classes, there was a test and I was busy doing what I wanted in the library. I believe in evolution and we were at the zoo and my Dad was feeding some monkeys grapes and they were getting sticks to get the grapes closer so they could eat them. Dad was going prime example of evolution. Now in saying all that I still have a little faith. Not in god as such just some faith that the wrongs of this earth will be righted one day. If that means getting rid of humans then so be it.
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                                                                • Sheree T
                                                                  Evolution is what I believe in.
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                                                                  • Colin L 88398
                                                                    And the so called "NEW FACTS" are what exactly? Making up stories are not New Facts that are just the Delusions of Fools Remember there is a decent % of Americans who believe that the World is Flat so should we start to worry about falling off the edge?
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                                                                    • Belle S
                                                                      It's all a personal opinion.
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                                                                      • Joe B 288252
                                                                        God created evolution just to piss everyone off….lol
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                                                                        • Larry S 382961
                                                                          I have always wondered where did the dinosaurs come from and why cave men didn’t draw them if around in that time frame
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                                                                          • Richard M 407933
                                                                            Larry, I think you will find that dinosaurs were around many thousands of years before the the dawn of man.
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                                                                          • APB
                                                                            When a mummy dinosaur and a daddy dinosaur love each other very much......
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                                                                        • Ana E 117145
                                                                          The bible is the fact that God create us. Haven't seen any documents that we or will be monkey. Open our mind, heart and mouth for God will reveal thy answer to thee
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                                                                          • Sabine V
                                                                            Evolution of cause we haven't changed much we are still animals
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                                                                            • Leah W 215315
                                                                              Perhaps the answer is simple: God created the process of evolution, making both correct.
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                                                                              • Maria B 89860
                                                                                I quite liked SondraD's comment and offered my own explanation of: "God made us in his Image but alas before he finished the process a bird flew over the river, He was using as a mirror, and dropped a twig, which made a ripple, hence we are all different shapes, sizes and shades." Either that or he was looking into a very cracked mirror!
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                                                                                • Rod R 101788
                                                                                  There are good arguments for both sides, lots of theories compared to the number of facts. I'm an evolutionist but some times I wonder if God's sitting up there laughing in her coffee.
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                                                                                  • Peter B 231413
                                                                                    So are they both fairy tales?
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                                                                                    • Bung,
                                                                                      Theories.
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                                                                                      • Stephen F 84899
                                                                                        They are just theories,nothing more
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                                                                                        • Shirley H 391879
                                                                                          The Lord gave us choice. He doesn’t interfere. In that way we design our path. It is up to the individual to choose to ask Him for help. Yes rotten things have happened. And that will always be the case. But ask and ye shall receive. Spirituality is a very personal thing. Open your heart. Love will conquer all.
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                                                                                          • roger b 167654
                                                                                            Where is the proof that Darwin became sceptical about his theory? Please don’t quote the lady hope story which has been proven to be incorrect
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                                                                                            • Sonya F 68771
                                                                                              Everything is a story its how we read into it
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                                                                                              • Timtam
                                                                                                There is no evidence for creationism at all. Not a single 'fact'. The whole basis of creationism is religious, not scientific and certainly not fact based.Evolution however has evidence from fossils, DNA studies, comparative anatomy studies. I know which hold credibility for me. As for Darwin becoming sceptical of evolution, that is complete rubbish.
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                                                                                                • BLACK LIVES MATTER
                                                                                                  Do I buy into creation - NO (not under any circumstances - but - I was raised as an agnostic and evolve into an atheist).! Do I buy into Charles Darwin's theory of evolution - NO (it is a 19th century concept with obvious holes in it). Do I buy into evolution when it is based on belief system - NO! Do I buy into evolution when it is based on hard, observable facts - YES!
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                                                                                                  • lynda e 390007
                                                                                                    Creation.
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                                                                                                    • Melinda B 311794
                                                                                                      To me, evolution is empirically based fact, based on observable things in the world around us. Creationism is a story we tell ourselves to make us feel better about our own mortality, and to better ourselves as human beings. What you believe is entirely up to you.
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                                                                                                      • LsNx
                                                                                                        I believe in creation as told in the Bible
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                                                                                                        • Gary B 393274
                                                                                                          An interesting post. However, creationism is utter nonsense and has more holes than my flour sifter!. A 'theory' in science is predictive, falsifiable and proven, making it as close to gold standard truth as you can get. It has nothing at all to do with stories. A 'hypothesis' is an idea about something that needs to be tested to see if it is predictive and therefore needs to also be falsifiable. If it repeatedly proves to stand and be accurately predictive, it may become a theory. Creationism is neither predictive nor falsifiable, so it's about as 'real' an an invisible chocolate teapot! :-) Darwin never became skeptical of evolution. Indeed, over his life he lost more and of his faith in religions and a god, especially after his daughter, Annie, died aged 10. From a piece in The Guardian: In reality, Darwin's loss of faith was, as he recognised, gradual and complex. The reasons were not new – suffering always has been and always will be most serious challenge to Christianity – but they were newly focused. Plenty of Darwin's scientific contemporaries, men like John Stevens Henslow, Charles Lyell, Asa Gray, George Wright, Alexander Winchell, and James Dana, could accommodate their Christian beliefs with the new theory. Indeed, as historian James Moore has remarked "with but few exceptions the leading Christian thinkers in Great Britain and America came to terms quite readily with Darwinism and evolution."
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                                                                                                          • Melinda B 311794
                                                                                                            Hooray for Gary.
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                                                                                                          • The dog house
                                                                                                            You made me laugh Gary. "Has more holes than my flour sifter" I needed a good laugh. thank you
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                                                                                                          • Barbara TThe dog house
                                                                                                            Ditto that comment as well;
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                                                                                                        • kristian s 513441
                                                                                                          I never heard of evolution vs creation theory before.
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                                                                                                          • JANN R
                                                                                                            I agree Kristian neither have I
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                                                                                                        • Filby
                                                                                                          It’s not either or but both together is the best way to explain our origin
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                                                                                                          • The dog house
                                                                                                            If we came from the monkeys why has the ape population not evolved yet. I believe we were created in God's image.
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                                                                                                            • MoB
                                                                                                              The same reason that some humans haven't. There are a few tribes that have not moved on much from being hunter gatherers in jungles. One of these tribes wasn't discovered until 1978.
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                                                                                                            • Timtam
                                                                                                              Evolution does not say we ' came from monkeys'. That is a complete misunderstanding of the theory. It suggests we have a common ancestor(s) from which the lines of development diverged, eventually leading to humans and apes, chimps etc in different lineages.
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                                                                                                            • APB
                                                                                                              Be careful of smoke and mirrors.....we did not come from monkeys...we just probably share some common ancestor...just like any other book...Darwin's work can be misquoted to attack the concepts involved......sorry...too heavy?
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                                                                                                            • Margarita S
                                                                                                              Because that were special monkeys breed, all turned into humans now, no other monkeys could do the same. ??????
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                                                                                                          • Chosen
                                                                                                            What evolution ???........ My wife says that I am more often than not still like a monkey.
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                                                                                                            • Frank N
                                                                                                              It would be interesting to climb into a time machine and go forward 1,000 years. Would the latest science 1,000 years from now still subscribe to the theory of evolution? I suspect it would not. There are some real problems with the theory of evolution and Charles Darwin himself pointed to some of them. The operation of epigenetics, for example, tends to run counter to classic evolution theory. This is a bit off the "evolution versus creation" situation, however. I know many people who subscribe to the theory of evolution and also believe that the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob created the universe. On the other hand I also know people who believe that the theory of evolution points to the fact that there is no god. The real fact of the matter is that nobody can prove or disprove whether or not there is a creator. That is a matter of belief.
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                                                                                                              • roger b 167654
                                                                                                                By that logic no one can prove or disapprove that there isn’t a giant lizard creature in the sky that controls everything we do
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                                                                                                              • Frank Nroger b 167654
                                                                                                                No you can't prove or disprove the existence of a giant lizard creature in the sky. You could prove there was, of course, if you found it - but until then ...
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                                                                                                            • Tupulua S
                                                                                                              evolution is same thing(s) happening again only slightly or slowly change in appearance. Creation is completely new life form, for instance covid 19, was created by people. now it changes to something more contagious (delta) and that is revolution at play
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                                                                                                              • Grommie
                                                                                                                God botherers will believe what they are told. Strong men believe in luck, wise men in cause and effect. If God did not exist (then, for some people) it would be necessary to invent him... or her
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                                                                                                                • Paul
                                                                                                                  Another great Sunday coffee thought starter! It's time we woke up to the simple fact that the "Science/Creation" theories are NOT mutually exclusive. The sooner people realise that "Science" is the art of seeking understanding of the universe around us the better for all of us! Our growing knowledge of how nature (In it's many forms) works, has helped millions, billions :- Incuding you, reading this, to live better, healthier, wealthier, longer, more fulfilling lives. Coffee's cold, time for more!
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                                                                                                                  • SueM2
                                                                                                                    It always makes me smile the way proponents of the two schools of thought (creation v evolution) argue. If there is a God, and if he was clever enough to design and produce creation, why do his followers not think him capable of having included evolution in the plan?
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                                                                                                                    • Melanie G 87848
                                                                                                                      The Adam and Eve story is really just a metaphor for good versus evil and why you should be a good person. I'm pretty sure it didn't actually happen.
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                                                                                                                      • David C 471262
                                                                                                                        In the beginning, there was only COLD water, but from the firmament burst HOT water, From the chaos rose a hero; LUKE WARMWATER. On the other hand, there is no such thing as super natural beings, the evidence says evolution,
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                                                                                                                        • Edward S 497347
                                                                                                                          In the beginning, there was darkness. Eventually, God created the universe including the planet earth and everything in and on it. Oh, by the way, He also created Adam and Eve who then went forth and multiplied. From that point onwards every person has had their own beliefs and opinions. Science was eventually created by man, all based on their theories, BUT science is NEVER correct because when you get several different people doing similar tests, you always come up with several different answers. This, therefore, indicates that the results of all scientific tests are NOT based on fact but are rather based upon the scientists' own theories which lead to their own result conclusions because as they carry out their tests they are ONLY looking for results that match their theories and they are blind to seeing anything else..... Meaning the outcomes of all scientific tests are based upon theories, not fact.
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                                                                                                                          • APB
                                                                                                                            I can see us now approaching a new dark age...where no-one wants to offend anyone else....and everyone's opinion is equally valid....and obvious lies and mis-information are seriously considered and weighed up against scientific fact and common sense...hopefully climate change will get us all first......they will be burning books soon....
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                                                                                                                            • APB
                                                                                                                              There is not ANY argument as stated....Evolution is a sound scientific theory...it may not be entirely correct..."creation" as I suspect you see it is based on "faith"...that some god made everything recently...this is clearly insane...you cannot repackage this rubbish as an intelligent consideration...sorry Trevor....
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                                                                                                                              • 'smee,SWQ!
                                                                                                                                Everything is Created as Evolution continues!
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                                                                                                                                • Luke W 72035
                                                                                                                                  There being a creator doesn't automatically make evolution untrue and vice versa. It seems many religious folk think proponents of the big bang theory suggest that absolutely nothing at all came before it, which is simply not true. The whole conversation does my head in.
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                                                                                                                                  • Shirley H 391879
                                                                                                                                    My faith is in divine creation. Unshakable
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                                                                                                                                    • Michelle S 553303
                                                                                                                                      SO IS MINE!. "In the Beginning God made...." and I CANNOT walk outside at night looking up upon a moonless cloudless sky and NOT see the Creators hand. I look at the Milky Way galaxy and the plethora of stars that seem to fill the whole entire sky from whatever direction I look, and see the INTELLIGENT DESIGN in them. I remember in Genesis when God promised Abram when he was old and childless and both he and Sarai were wondering HOW God could fulfil the promise of his descendants being more than the stars in the sky. But even though they doubted and Ishmael was born to Haggai HE was not the son of promise, but in God's own timing Issac was born to a very happy Sarah and father Abraham became the father of the 3 major religions still around today. When you KNOW God and you understand HOW we are deceived on many levels especially by "principalities of the darkness of this world: about evil and wickedness in high places". I understand that if you have 'scales on your eyes" like Paul when Jesus blinded him as an unrepentant Saul you don't see and if your ears are locked up you do not hear, but it grieves me because even in this ever growing darkness and sinful world He, God, WAS the Creator. He made US in HIS own imagine and because of this Lucifer, Satan, HATES us and seeks our destruction. When I see a documentary on nature or anything like life in a deep mountain lake and I see how "wonderfully made" it all is, by He who is and was and will ALWAYS be THE I AM, I AM always awed by it. II just can't wait to go home Shirley, to hear that trumpet, the Shofar being blown! God bless your day!
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                                                                                                                                    • GrommieMichelle S 553303
                                                                                                                                      where was God when the holocaust was being run out? Why didn't God strike Stalin down early and stop him killing over 20 million of his countrymen? And Pol Pot? and Idi Amin?and the twin towers? Or are all those happenings simply fiction?
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                                                                                                                                    • SANDRA G 394859Grommie
                                                                                                                                      ALL MAN MADE
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                                                                                                                                    • GrommieSANDRA G 394859
                                                                                                                                      agreed, but why didn't that God bloke send down a plague of locusts or something to land on Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, Idi Amin to save all the innocents? I'll bet lots of them were in his religious pocket. Why did he desert them? And don't bring the Pope into it, we know where Pius XII stood.
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                                                                                                                                  • Maree B 85308
                                                                                                                                    This discussion is as old as Darwins theory
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                                                                                                                                    • Rhonda D 522615
                                                                                                                                      Whatever you want to believe. There are some people who believe the earth is flat.
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                                                                                                                                      • LsNx
                                                                                                                                        Ape evolved into man. Did evolution stop there? Or, is man in the process of being evolved into something else, I wonder.
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